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Julie O’Callaghan is gifted not only with a good ear, she also has a sharp, accurate eye…A witty, wise, funny humane collection.
- Brendan Kennelly, Sunday Independent

The voice of the mid-West on vacation – crude, colloquial and demonstrative. It is the brash voice of the American salesman promoting freedom, free enterprise and enterprising garbage. It is the voice of returned emigrants, lamenting their loss. It is the mixed voice of Irish people at tea-break overheard in snatches of conversation. All these voices are captured in dramatic moments or demotic monologues, and their vibrancy sings.
- Conor Kelly, Poetry Review

This is poetry you can understand: lively, entertaining, well-observed.
- Wendy Cope, BBC Radio 4

Reading What’s What, …is like finding oneself in the company of the best kind of wit and raconteuse on a long, long journey… a writer’s and reader’s antidote to despair.
- Mary O’Donnell, Poetry Ireland Review

These poems are agile, heartfelt, and original. They expand with repeated readings, earning the reader’s trust as they echo voices that are recognizable all around us, if not within us as well.
- Leslie Ullman, Poetry

O’Callaghan’s subtle ear for the intonations of speech, her appalled delight in the things language is made to do in our consumer-crazed ear…and her shrewd handling of line endings mark her as a true poet, someone with an almost deranged interest in the possibilities and impossibilities of words.
- Patrick Crotty, The Irish Times

No Can Do is the clearest, most poignant, most sustained voice. The poems seem effortless and are immediately accessible and yet achieve great emotional weight, by the lightest of means. The freshness and wit of this poet’s original voice have gathered scope and gravity. With this book, Julie O’Callaghan becomes an important poet in the English language.
- Judges Citation, Michael Hartnett Award

Review by Stephen Knight

The demotic, funny, quiety devastating vignettes of Julie O’Callaghan seem to owe a debt to the brevity and precision of classical Chinese poetry. O’Callaghan is a Chicagoan of Irish descent who has lived in Ireland since her twenties. Selected from a 25-year publishing history, the poems of ‘Tell Me This is Normal’ are part verse, part dramatic monologue and wholly her own.

O’Callaghan’s titles - “Schmooze-Fest”, “Da Boss” and “Old Babes” - indicate that her subject remains her homeland’s citizens, its losers, junk food eaters, jabberers and knuckleheads, to whom she gives voice, not unaffectionately. The cadences of yakking are brilliantly captured: “Dolly has piano lessons? /Dad’ll drive you. / My wife is goin’ to the Jewel Food Store? / Get old drippo to sit behind the wheel” or “I would love to know / who’s hogging all the chow / down that end./ It would interest me greatly” might be pieces of theatre, Samuel Beckett via Clifford Odets.

It would be a mistake to believe all this amounts to a rather slight talent. If in doubt, read the 12-page, fragmentary “Sketches for an Elegy”, written in memory of her father. This piercing work confirms Julie O’Callaghan as one of poetry’s best-kept secrets. High time more readers were in the know.

Independent on Sunday, 13 July 2008

Interview with Kevin McDermott

Tell me about the background of your poem, ‘The Great Blasket Island’.

The idea for ‘The Great Blasket Island’ came after watching a documentary by Muiris MacConaghaill on RTE television about islanders coming back (as in the poem) to see the houses where they grew up. The government had decided that the logistics for food/doctors/schools had become too difficult and that it would be more practical for everyone to move to the mainland.

It was extremely sad to watch the islanders as they went to their childhood houses and spoke about their lives on the island. It occurred to me then that this same scenario happened with most families as the children grew up and moved away. That you would go back as an adult to the house you grew up in and find it had all changed. Lots of families I know, including my own, became very dispersed with everyone living far away from each other and that was another factor I was talking about. It would be nice to think that this poem might speak for the new immigrants to Ireland also…

Your most recent book, The Book of Whispers, is written for young adults. Are children and young adults your preferred audience?

I’m not sure that I have a preferred audience. When you are trying to write poetry any audience is welcome! The Book of Whispers was quite an odd project because it came out of pure inspiration and was written very quickly. I had taken part in a very noisy poetry reading for children at a big theatre in London and it seemed to me that noise was all wrong for poetry. I think it should be a haven of quietness where you can hear yourself think.

My next book will be a selection of my adult poetry called Tell Me This is Normal - it will be out in the Spring of 2008.

You grew up in Chicago. What kind of childhood did you have?

I grew up in a big wooden house in what had once been in a rural part of Illinois. By the time my family came to live there - a hundred years later, in 1959 - it was part of the outskirts of Chicago. It had a big hay barn behind it to remind us all of what the area used to be like. We lived about five minutes from the beach on Lake Michigan and we spent all summer swimming and playing in the sand. I went to Elementary School (Primary) at St Ignatius Catholic School - Irish-Americans and children with Italian and Spanish names went there. I imagine it wasn’t a million miles away from the kind of school we might have attended in Ireland. I went to that school from the ages of 5 to 14. Our teachers were nuns from the Sisters of the Holy Child Jesus. I was a member of the school choir and we gave lots of concerts and plays. Our school was big on playing basketball and we had a basketball tournament every year which was very important to us. It was the highlight of our school year. We had school Mass every Sunday - which was compulsory. Attendance was taken and a note was needed if you missed it.

My parents had seven children within ten years. I was the second child and the oldest girl, with quite a few chores to do (most of which involved watching children!). My parents were readers but didn’t really have much time to sit and read. My father, in the early days, was a High School teacher of English in the Chicago Public School system. He encouraged us to read. We used to go to the library a lot and sit looking through the children’s section to find the right book for us.

What are your earliest memories of reading?

I remember the early picture books very vividly. I loved the Madeline books (”Miss Clavelle turned out the light”) and I was a fan of the Babar books about a rather suave elephant and his family. One book which I loved when I was a little bit older was a book called Misty of Chincateague Island by Marguerite Henry. I wanted to go and watch the wild ponies being rounded up like in the story.

Did you have a favourite subject?

English was always my best subject - I enjoyed it more than any other class. That was probably because I was quite good at writing the stories and little articles we had to do for homework.

Was there a particular moment when you decided to become a writer?

I never really actually made a decision to be a writer - it all just happened. One moment which pushed me in that direction was when a High School teacher told us to write a poem for homework. Since we studied hardly any poetry, I only had a very vague notion about what a poem could be. I went home and wrote a poem in the shape of a tree - the branches were the various lines of the poem. Why I did that I have no idea - maybe it was because I was missing the elm tree that the City of Chicago had chopped down outside our house and it seemed like a good way to bring it back. The next day the teacher held up my poem to the class and told them that it was amazing poem and that I should write more. So I continued with poems in the shapes of cockroaches/pizzas/my hand/the sun/moon and this particular teacher said I should keep writing poetry. But I never wished to be a poet. It really is a mystery to me how that came about.

Who has influenced you most in your writing?

The person who has influenced my writing in the most profound way has been my husband Dennis O’Driscoll. He has been the best of teachers and editors. If a poem gets past his eye, I am always thrilled and happy. But it isn’t an easy thing to live up to his standards. It seems like a fairytale to me that we ever met and I am not sure I would have continued writing if I hadn’t met him. He just knows everything about poetry, and for someone like me who never did much poetry at school, it is a mystery how we ever met and stayed together. I literally owe him everything: books, publishers, readings, ideas, finished poems.

I try to learn from and love to read writers such as Czeslaw Milosz, Pablo Neruda, Chinese and Japanese Classical Poetry, early Irish Poetry written in monasteries, Patrick Kavanagh, Seamus Heaney, Jonathan Swift, Robert Hass, James Schuyler, John Berryman - but these are just some of the poets I love. One of the younger American poets I have been reading is Dean Young.

Do you think being a reader is important for a writer?

It would be impossible, really, to hope to be an artist or a painter or a composer without absorbing what the earlier generations had created - so reading is the most important part of learning how to be a poet. It also teaches you how extremely difficult it is to write a worthwhile poem.

What do you enjoy most about writing? What do you find hardest?

I enjoy the feeling of being so focused and oblivious to the outside world that time literally disappears and what might actually have been hours seems like a few minutes because things are going so well… That situation happens when you have a great idea and you’re trying so hard to get it down into a perfect blast of poetry. I always need to hurry in case something happens - the doorbell rings or I remember something I was supposed to be doing.

The hardest part about writing poetry is to keep doing it even when no one seems to care or you can’t think of any interesting ideas. It isn’t a popular art like novel-writing and most people can’t support themselves on the money they get from their poems. So you have to love it and keep telling yourself to sit down and have a go - even when it seems useless to keep trying. And, while it’s necessary to be hyper-sensitive when you write, you need to keep a tougher skin for when you head out into the world again.

Is Ireland a good place to be a writer?

Ireland must be about the best place in the world to write poetry. Irish people are taught to value poetry (even if they don’t exactly love reading it) and that makes such a huge difference because the people around you think it cool to be writing. Poetry in Ireland comes from an ancient tradition and it’s part of the culture. You don’t have to apologise for it. I can’t think of a better place to be writing.

What advice would you give to a young writer?

I only know how writing happened to me and that was like this: I sat and wrote - I have no idea why. I got a very little bit of early encouragement and after that I just always did it. My only advice would be to read as many different kinds of poetry as possible: all eras, countries, types. If you need to write - you will. It isn’t something that can be forced. I had no childhood dreams of being a writer, but I woke up one day to find I had published my first book.

The Great Blasket Island’ is on the list of Leaving Certificate prescribed poetry, Ordinary Level, for examination in 2009. Julie has worked in schools with Poetry Ireland’s Writers-in-Schools scheme.
Interview first published in Teaching English magazine, Autumn 2007

Brightly Knitted Bolivian Ch’ullu

Jack, my father, I am flying to you
on words,
on white-topped condor wings
of thoughts
to the high altiplano
where you are perched.
I need to tell you
the message hidden in the ch’ullu,
the pasamontana, the brightly knitted hat,
I made for your last winter.

I worked in magic tocapu patterns
and Bolivian pictographs.
It was a spell.
Bright green birds with yellow eyes
against a lavender background
meant don’t leave this world.
The waves knitted into the band
above your eyes
were talking about
how happy and well
the lake water would make you.

Oh I can’t remember what-all
I wished to say in my knitted hieroglyphs.
I clicked those needles furiously
watching Incan markings appear.
I wanted your ch’ullu to have powers.
When you pulled it over your ears
I whispered to you.

Alla Luna (a lunar cycle)

Last summer
we lived
on the planet
of purest sadness
looking at people
in the streets
like aliens -
looking at each day
as if it were the last.
We spoke to the moon
without words,
without hope.

        *

There was a blue pool
in the sky.
We liked swimming
up there when the moon
and some stars
floated in the water.
You had to be careful
not to butterfly
through a cloud
or dog paddle
into the universe.

        *

What was the deal last summer?
We were surrounded
by sky in all directions.
If it wasn’t dawn over the lake
it was dusk over the buildings.
Not to mention lightning,
orbiting sky furniture
like stars, planets,
then examining the moon
through your telescope.
All we ever did
was try to sit still
holding our breath
watching the heavens
for a sign.

        *

Oh really -
let’s all gaze at the moon
and have a nervous breakdown
since life stinks.
I was looking at the lake sideways,
my head on a pillow
wishing and wishing
you would get better.
The moon went blurry:
space-garbage sneering
at me and my sadness.

        *

A year ago
I stood at the window
high in the sky crying.
I focussed my father’s telescope,
saw lunar mountains, craters, valleys.
‘Well moon,’ I said,
‘How can I ever be happy again
when my father is disappearing
to a place I can’t visualise?’
Luna, I watched you change
all summer into a harvest moon
just before he died.

        *

If you were still
in this solar system
we’d be e-mailing
comet sightings
to each other like crazy
and you’d have flipped
watching Hale-Bopp
through your skyscraper windows
on Sheridan Road.
But now I guess
you’re some kind of asteroid yourself
travelling to wherever.
Great timing, Jack.
You’re missing everything.

No Can Do

I know I’m a total party-pooper.
But there’s no way
I can go to Red Lobster.
I have to stay home.
I have to rest.
I can’t move.

Chip is like:
‘How come you don’t want to
to go out anyplace?’

I’m this huge moose
with no hair,
a cheapo wig and cancer.
And I’m supposed to go
and eat a Seafood Platter?
No can do.

The Great Blasket Island

Six men born on this island
have come back after twenty-one years.
They climb up the overgrown roads
to their family houses
and come out shaking their heads.
The roofs have fallen in,
birds have nested in the rafters.
All the whitewashed rooms
all the nagging and praying
and scolding and giggling
and crying and gossiping
are scattered in the memories of these men.
One says, ‘Ten of us, blown to the winds -
some in England, some in America, some in Dublin.
Our whole way of life - extinct.’
He blinks back the tears
and looks across the island
past the ruined houses, the cliffs
and out to the horizon.

Listen, mister, most of us cry sooner or later
over a Great Blasket Island of our own.

Well-Heeled

So what’s to live for?
I’m placing an American Express Gold Card
on the cash desk - seven hundred and fifty dollars
down the drain
for a fantasy rhinestone pump
with spike heels.
Yesterday, it was paisley-gilded
black brocade lace-ups with a louis heel.
My analyst said, ‘Indulge.’
So I’m indulging already!
I think I’d rather have an affair.
My Grecian slave sandals
would come in handy for that
or maybe my fuchsia satin court shoes -
depending on the man.

I started my girls off right.
As soon as they put a foot on terra firma
I got them little Edwardian slippers:
pink sides with a white toe and bow.
I can still see them teetering along
with frilly cotton socks and Easter bonnets.
I have those shoes up in the attic someplace.
I wonder which box they’re in…

Nobody gives a damn about shoes anymore.
Will Sammy the Hong Kong mailman
want to seduce me in my red-rabbit-fur bedroom slippers?
Who’s to appreciate - Glen, my spouse?
What a joke!
He trots off in his Gucci loafers to work
and you might as well be wearing
hiking boots under your negligee
for all he cares.
So I head for Neiman-Marcus Shoe Salon -
‘the place for women who love shoes’.
If he doesn’t notice my fantasy pumps
maybe he’ll notice the bill next month
from American Express.

I owned a pair of Maud Frizon shoes once
that had cute fake watches on the ankle straps.
He kept mocking them by kneeling down in front of me
‘to see what time it is’.

Did you tell that shrink of yours
about the Calvin Klein princess pumps
ya bought a year ago
and have never worn cause you say
they’re too pretty to wear
or those Texan snake and pony skin
hand-tooled leather cowboy boots
that you wear to the supermarket -
did ya tell him that -
what does all this mean?

Glen always toys with the dramatic
rather than the mundane in our relationship.

It was a pair of white patent Mary Janes
that made me the way I am today.
I refused to unfasten the strap
out of its golden buckle.
I wore them to bed, to school,
to play in - I even took a bath
with them on once - they made me happy.
One morning I woke up
and they were gone.
Words cannot convey that catastrophe.

Last week I wore a sea-green
suede-fronded ankle-boot
on my head to a party.
I went barefoot.
Maybe this is a development.

Earth Whispers

White

when rain
whispers
it is snow

Green

when leaves
whisper
it is spring

Blue

when sky
whispers
it is wind

Grey

when cloud
whispers
it is wet

Red

when day
whispers
it is dusk

Purple

when hills
whisper
it is far

Yellow

when sun
whispers
it is heat

Black

when night
whispers
it is sleep

Mr. Potato Head

When you stop that dumb-bell
show-off act, I’ll let you see
the Mr Potato Head game I’ve brought.
It’s for you.
Here’s a potato: stick in the eyes
- make it look funny for goodness sake.
You can have it look nutty too,
just put the ears on upside down.
Don’t you want to have fun?
Well if you do, go ahead and have some.
There are zillions of zany faces you can shape.
Try making him look like a monster
with these prominent teeth.
He’s got a cute blue hat -
why not include it?
It matches his blue moustache.
Get over here and play.